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This team will never be successful with a single setback in shotgun formation this team's play-calling especially offensive formation will never work. They need QB under center, I formation or split back using play action or other formations where they have one or two players behind line of scrimmage for different blocking sceams. I have been calling for this for years. If they had set up in these formations Eli would have been much more effective in his last few years. Am I the only one who recognizes this . They will never have a special season!!
 

Patricia Traina

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This team will never be successful with a single setback in shotgun formation this team's play-calling especially offensive formation will never work. They need QB under center, I formation or split back using play action or other formations where they have one or two players behind line of scrimmage for different blocking sceams. I have been calling for this for years. If they had set up in these formations Eli would have been much more effective in his last few years. Am I the only one who recognizes this . They will never have a special season!!
Daniel worked mostly from the shotgun at Duke, so I think there's a comfort level there. But yeah, I are that you gotta put him under center. Other problem though has been the crappy offensive line.
 
Daniel worked mostly from the shotgun at Duke, so I think there's a comfort level there. But yeah, I are that you gotta put him under center. Other problem though has been the crappy offensive line.
Daniel worked mostly from the shotgun at Duke, so I think there's a comfort level there. But yeah, I are that you gotta put him under center. Other problem though has been the crappy offensive line.
We have been talking about the offensive line for nearly ten years. Why are they not using Eli Penny ?
If you go back to the last three years of Eli Manning and look at every offensive play, you will discover whenever they had multiple players in backfield, used QB under center preferably or in shotgun with play action, different blocking assignments, pulling guards or tight ends they were very successful! However, they ran these plays only a small percentage of the time. Who was watching the film each week. We do not need 4 or 5 receivers on every play. We need protection and deception for the QB. I emphasize, have someone go back and chart the plays and formations. I DID!!! And this was without a mobile QB. Remember Eli was the problem The Giants need to wakeup.
 

Patricia Traina

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We have been talking about the offensive line for nearly ten years. Why are they not using Eli Penny ?
If you go back to the last three years of Eli Manning and look at every offensive play, you will discover whenever they had multiple players in backfield, used QB under center preferably or in shotgun with play action, different blocking assignments, pulling guards or tight ends they were very successful! However, they ran these plays only a small percentage of the time. Who was watching the film each week. We do not need 4 or 5 receivers on every play. We need protection and deception for the QB. I emphasize, have someone go back and chart the plays and formations. I DID!!! And this was without a mobile QB. Remember Eli was the problem The Giants need to wakeup.
I've been screaming about this for two years.
 

chiller99

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I disagree and think if we are going to use the qb as a running option as we have we need to shorten the distance possibly in the pistol formation like Ravens use and also it would shorten directly hitting the hole and hopefully eliminate Saquons dancing
 

Patricia Traina

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I disagree and think if we are going to use the qb as a running option as we have we need to shorten the distance possibly in the pistol formation like Ravens use and also it would shorten directly hitting the hole and hopefully eliminate Saquons dancing
I'd rather the quarterback operate from the pocket and run only if he has to. Just me.
 
I'd rather the quarterback operate from the pocket and run only if he has to. Just me.
I agree with you! Only running when need to. It adds another dimension. We have an injured qb because of it. Do we have more wins? Our offensive is simple, either hand off to a single running back or pass to 4 or 5 receivers for 5 yards. We need 2 backs, pulling guards and tight ends, different blocking schemes. They will run single setback in shotgun formation over and over again and its never successful! But if you run a multi dimensional offense and it does not work they never go back to it. Even when it is successful they never go back to it. I have charted statistical analysis on there formations and quite frankly the Giants are blind! They have continued with a predictable offense for years. And this year when they have tried different plays Some of them are just stupid. One man's opinion.
 

chiller99

Rookie
Right now Jones is our qb1 no matter how you look at it. About his only strong point is his running ability. Not intending to use his strength really negates any chance of him being successful
 
I do not mind if they design run plays for him of course there is a risk of injury if we don't have an effective running game and passing game he can run all day and it's not going to make a difference
 

chiller99

Rookie
I do not mind if they design run plays for him of course there is a risk of injury if we don't have an effective running game and passing game he can run all day and it's not going to make a difference
I think hes even more injury prone scrambling as there seems to be a shut off between his take off and his landing slide which is never executed properly. Not having an effective running and passing game is just such a basic comment its the goal of the game from kids football to the nfl
 

Lazur

Rookie
I have to say a few things here. First there really are only 3 types of run blocking schemes teams run. Zone, man and gap. So the thought of changing blocking schemes really won’t help. The Giants offensive lines problem isn’t what type of scheme they are using more or less the players are not using proper technique. Example, hand placement, feet, stance, bend etc. plus they need to play as a unit. 1 guy messes up it all falls apart

second the Giants play out of shotgun because Jones is able to keep his eyes downfield. Simple as that. From the moment the ball is snapped to when the ball is thrown out of shotgun the QB eyes are consistently looking down field. If they go under center the QB may have to turn his back to the defense. The problem is Jones tends to lock in on his first read and wait .
To elaborate on Chiller about Jones running. I think this helps Jones. Reason why is Jones is struggling with processing speed and reading the field. By incorporating Jones as a runner it slows down the pass rush and forces defenses to play him 11/11 not 11/10. Jones needs to be smarter as a runner. His injuries are not because he is a runner but because he isn’t a smart runner. Think back to Philadelphia when Foles took the Eagles to the super bowl. Simple scheme. RPO. That’s who Jones is at this point of his career. He needs simple plays that allows him to make a few choices. Hand off, run or hit your first read or check down. Pretty simple. Jones is struggling as a full field passer. Using his legs will help the overall concept of the offense. Chiller brings up a good point. Using the pistol out of shotgun will add the extra blocker because of the struggles of the line. It also makes the defense play both sides of the line not 1 side. Out of traditional shotgun the back is left or right of the QB. We can all agree most of the runs are going one way or the other. Out of pistol they can go either way. Baltimore perfected this pistol shotgun RPO. Jackson by the way got hurt in the pocket on a pass not as a runner
 

Lazur

Rookie
I would think yes. Rodger and Wilson run but to pass if that’s makes sense to you. They will run if they see grass and can safely slide to protect themselves
 
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