State of the Giants

I know it's preseason, but is the Giants O-Line going to be fixed in less than 2 weeks when they have to face face Von Miller and Bradley Chubb. I doubt it. Not sure how much of a help Billy Price will be. Daniel Jones took responsibility for everything that went wrong offensively. Like Eli use to do. This is Joe Judge's team. His coaches. His players. It just makes me wonder is he the right the head coach for the Giants. It also makes me wonder if is Dave Gettlemen the right GM for the Giants.
 

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Coach Judge, in all fairness, needs additional time to prove his worth or lack thereof. Gettleman, on the other hand, has shown beyond any doubt that today's NFL, the game and the players, have long passed him by. He's a relic, a dinosaur, hired because Mara is also from the Jurassic Park era of the NFL. When he finally axed Reese he had a chance to make a ballsy move and find a young, energetic, up and comer. Instead, he pulls out is old rolodex and dials Gettleman, who has managed to set back the organization for another 5 to 10 years. Mark my word: this is a 4-13 season.
 
First thank you for sharing your thoughts! I agree Joe Judge needs more time to show if he's the right man for the job.
Gettleman was a bad hire. He hasn't worked out for many reasons. If he's let go at the end of the season it's going to be hard finding that GM you described with Joe Judge and Daniel Jones in place. As for their record it wouldn't surprise me if the Giants are a 4 to 7 win team.
 
I think Joe stays. As for Daniel, it all depends on why they flop as a team.
My concern with a new GM is they usually want their head coach. The head coach usually wants his QB. I was hoping at the end of last year Dave would retire and the Giants hire Nick Caserio from NE as GM. I think both him and Joe Judge worked together in NE. Maybe they share the same vision on how to turn a team around.
 
The Atlantic conducted an anonymous poll of 5 NFL Execs ranking the 16 NFC teams best to worst. Giants came in at number 15 followed by the Lions at 16. Hopefully the Giants can prove them wrong.
 

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The Atlantic conducted an anonymous poll of 5 NFL Execs ranking the 16 NFC teams best to worst. Giants came in at number 15 followed by the Lions at 16. Hopefully the Giants can prove them wrong.
Yeah I've got a story posting on that actually. Will move this thread to the other forum.
 
I don't understate this. If it's true then we've seen this before. It's been reported Shane Lemieux has partially torn patellar tendon. I read Judge would neither confirm or deny the severity of the injury. Now it's a little bit more serious than initially reported. Sounds like a same situation as how Daniel Jones injury was initially reported last year. Judge was lucky that Jones didn't suffer a more severe injury by playing. I am not a doctor. If Shane Lemieux has a partially torn patellar tendon then he should be on injured reserve. Judge said he wouldn't put a player in a situation where they couldn't protect themselves. In my opinion he's the adult in the room. If a player is injured but wants to play the coach has to protect the player from himself. If they didn't have adequate backups to replace Lemieux then that's on Judge and Gettleman. What message does this send to the players? Will they trust him to look out for them. What do you think?
 
Coach Judge, in all fairness, needs additional time to prove his worth or lack thereof. Gettleman, on the other hand, has shown beyond any doubt that today's NFL, the game and the players, have long passed him by. He's a relic, a dinosaur, hired because Mara is also from the Jurassic Park era of the NFL. When he finally axed Reese he had a chance to make a ballsy move and find a young, energetic, up and comer. Instead, he pulls out is old rolodex and dials Gettleman, who has managed to set back the organization for another 5 to 10 years. Mark my word: this is a 4-13 season.
Dave Gettleman has now had four drafts to right the ship. Judge was involved with two drafts. How did these drafts work out? Can't blame Jerry Reese now for a lack of talent. If this season goes south fast and continues to go south then I think maybe Gettleman and possibly Judge may be out at the end of the season. I think with the right GM turning the Giants around shouldn't take that long. The biggest problem will be the salary cap hits in 2022 and 2023. What do you think?
 
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Giants used the 4th over pick in the 2020 draft to select Andrew Thomas. I have to believe they received serious offers of draft capital last year for the 4th pick in the 2020 draft. I am not buying they were offered a bag of bagels, cream cheese and a few hot pretzels for that 4th pick.
Really good teams like the Colts traded with their 3rd pick in 2018 draft to the Jets for the Jets 2018 6th pick in 1st round. In addition to 6th pick the Colts received 3 2nd Rd picks from the Jets. 2 which were 2018 picks. The Colts used the 6th pick in the draft on Quinton Nelson guard IMHO future hall of famer. The Colts wisely used the three 2nd rd picks to build their team. What was the Giants 2nd pick in the 1st round of the 2018 draft worth?
 
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Giants used the 4th over pick in the 2020 draft to select Andrew Thomas. I have to believe they received serious offers of draft capital last year for the 4th pick in the 2020 draft. I am not buying they were offered a bag of bagels, cream cheese and a few hot pretzels for that 4th pick.
Really good teams like the Colts traded with their 3rd pick in 2018 draft to the Jets for the Jets 2018 6th pick in 1st round. In addition to 6th pick the Colts received 3 2nd Rd picks from the Jets. 2 which were 2018 picks. The Colts used the 6th pick in the draft on Quinton Nelson guard IMHO future hall of famer. The Colts wisely used the three 2nd rd picks to build their team. What was the Giants 2nd pick in the 1st round of the 2018 draft worth?
I don't have the chart in front of me, but at this point, why beat a dead horse? it's not liek they can go back in time and change what they did, right?
 
Not the start I expected or hoped for. Maybe Thursday night will be better. I think they really missed Dalvin Tomlinson and Kyler Fackrell though.
My concern was stopping the Broncos running game. Fackrell did a nice job setting the edge last year. Tomlinson was a key piece to defensive line.
Not sure the players they have can replace both Fackrell and Tomlinson. What do you think?
 
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Not the start I expected or hoped for. Maybe Thursday night will be better. I think they really missed Dalvin Tomlinson and Kyler Fackrell though.
My concern was stopping the Broncos running game. Fackrell did a nice job setting the edge last year. Tomlinson was a key piece to defensive line.
Not sure the players they have can replace both Fackrell and Tomlinson. What do you think?
Just a few observations. I just wonder if all the roster turn over from last year could have had something do with how they played? The fans spend a lot of money not only going to games but also to watch them on TV. We deserve better than what we got yesterday.
Joe Judge sure seemed to have a hard time talking himself out why he threw the flag on an unreviewable play.
 
When given time Daniel Jones made some nice throws on Sunday. The Jones pass of 42 yards to D. Slayton was an excellent pass and catch.
Then the play calling got really strange. Then we had a three and out. We left at least 3 points on the field after a great throw and catch.
 
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So what's the state of the Giants after the 1st game of the season? Joe Judge was quoted as saying before Sunday's game that September games are an extension of the preseason. They do count. I found that to be really interesting.

Love to hear what you Giant fans think?
 
Coach Judge, in all fairness, needs additional time to prove his worth or lack thereof. Gettleman, on the other hand, has shown beyond any doubt that today's NFL, the game and the players, have long passed him by. He's a relic, a dinosaur, hired because Mara is also from the Jurassic Park era of the NFL. When he finally axed Reese he had a chance to make a ballsy move and find a young, energetic, up and comer. Instead, he pulls out is old rolodex and dials Gettleman, who has managed to set back the organization for another 5 to 10 years. Mark my word: this is a 4-13 season.
After seeing Denver beat the Giants on Sunday a 4-7 win season seems plausible. I know John Mara hates to lose! He's one of best owners in the NFL. John Mara is the only one who can fix this mess. That means finding that Chris Ballard type GM. Have that GM hire his own up and coming Head Coach. Someone with innovative ways to run a team and win! Other teams have done and so can the Giants.
 
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