State of Giants Offensive Line

[Big Blue Fan 1011]

Has reality set in with the Giants about the state of their offensive line? We heard from Dave Gettlemen that the kids were young strong and would be fine. He wasn’t concerned about the that O- Line play being a problem. Jason Garret said yesterday the O-Line would be just fine.

Dave Gettlemen was so confident as a result the Giants didn’t draft an offensive lineman in this year’s draft, nor did they sign a veteran free agent prior to the draft. Now it looks like reality may have set in. The O-Line seems to have serious issues and with no easy solutions in sight with one week to go before they face Von Miller and Bradley Chubb.

Gil Brandt a HOF exec for the Cowboys said it wouldn’t matter how many weapons the Giants got for Daniel Jones if the O- Line play didn’t improve.

The Giants spent $150 million dollars on free agents but no help for the O- Line. This will not help Daniel Jones growth or the evaluation to determine if he’s their franchise QB. The Giants effectively put themselves in cap hell for 2022 and probably 2023. Was it worth it and can they fix the O- Line to get the most out of the assets on offense.

 

[Patricia Traina]

Has reality set in with the Giants about the state of their offensive line? We heard from Dave Gettlemen that the kids were young strong and would be fine. He wasn’t concerned about the that O- Line play being a problem. Jason Garret said yesterday the O-Line would be just fine.

Dave Gettlemen was so confident as a result the Giants didn’t draft an offensive lineman in this year’s draft, nor did they sign a veteran free agent prior to the draft. Now it looks like reality may have set in. The O-Line seems to have serious issues and with no easy solutions in sight with one week to go before they face Von Miller and Bradley Chubb.

Gil Brandt a HOF exec for the Cowboys said it wouldn’t matter how many weapons the Giants got for Daniel Jones if the O- Line play didn’t improve.

The Giants spent $150 million dollars on free agents but no help for the O- Line. This will not help Daniel Jones growth or the evaluation to determine if he’s their franchise QB. The Giants effectively put themselves in cap hell for 2022 and probably 2023. Was it worth it and can they fix the O- Line to get the most out of the assets on offense.

Only time will tell, but if that OL turns out to be the Achilles heel that sinks the Giants' battleship, Dave is likely done after this year.

 

[Big Blue Fan 1011]

Only time will tell, but if that OL turns out to be the Achilles heel that sinks the Giants' battleship, Dave is likely done after this year.

Unfortunately I can't see how the OL isn't their Achilles heel. Andrew Thomas is the key. Joe Thomas (no relation) former All Pro of the Browns stated in several articles that of all the tackles drafted in the 1st round of the 2020 draft Andrew Thomas had the most unnatural technique. He also stated those issues are probably correctible but would require a lot of reps and time.

 

[Big Blue Fan 1011]

I really hope the OL coaches can coach up Thomas and Preat to adequate levels. I don't think trading next year's draft picks to pick up a decent Tackle is the answer. What do you think?

 

[Big Blue Fan 1011]

I think Ben Bredeson should be able to help out at guard. I was very surprised they were able to pick him up but the Ravens most be loaded along the OL.
The Giants need to select their 5 OL starters and have them get as many reps as possible together as unit. I don't think having so many offensive line coaches or the constant changes really help.

 

[Big Blue Fan 1011]

With Nate Solder starting at RT Sunday, if Andrew Thomas get's off to a bad start should the Giant's move Matt Peart in to LT as an in game move.
I think so. I think Matt Preat is more athletic, has more agility, balance and foot speed. I think he would deal better with smaller faster edge rushers.
Matt Peart in his 4 yrs at UConn started 48 games at LT. I think it's a move the Giant's should make. What do you think?

 

[Patricia Traina]

With Nate Solder starting at RT Sunday, if Andrew Jones get's off to a bad start should the Giant's move Matt Peart in to LT as an in game move.
I think so. I think Matt Preat is more athletic, has more agility, balance and foot speed. I think he would deal better with smaller faster edge rushers.
Matt Peart in his 4 yrs at UConn started 48 games at LT. I think it's a move the Giant's should make. What do you think?

If he can't handle RT, what on earth makes you think moving him to LT is a good idea?

 

[Big Blue Fan 1011]

If he can't handle RT, what on earth makes you think moving him to LT is a good idea?

Why can't he handle starting RT? Maybe he wasn't meant to play RT. Jim Nagy in an interview with NJ Advanced Media shortly after Thomas and Preat were drafted indicated that all things being equal such as draft position they should start Peart at LT because has more ability.

 

[Big Blue Fan 1011]

I just have a few more things I like to add and that's it for me for this thread.
I came across what appears to to be a Giants You Tube video dated 8/26/2020 where a few beat writers were asking Marc Columbo about the Giants offensive line. Title is "OL Coach Marc Colombo: "Rookie Matt Peart is a Tremendous Athlete | New York Giants" When asked about Preat he give a glowing review of his abilities as a tackle. When it came to Andrew Thomas he basically stated what Thomas needed to improve. They were some of same things he still needs to work on now. What also came through the video was the passion Colombo had for working with the OL. Makes me wonder what did having 4 OL coaches and Joe Judge working with the OL accomplish. I don't know, but we will see starting Sunday.

A little ancient history. In 1988 draft George Young drafted Eric Moore LT from Indiana in the 1st rd to play left tackle. Moore was a top ten pick. In the second round of the same draft he picked a LT from Michigan Jumbo Elliot who was going to pay RT. Parcells with the help of Lawrence Taylor decided to try Jumbo at LT. The experiment was a success. In the !990 Super Bowl Jumbo Elliot playing LT dominated Bruce Smith (HOF} helping the Giants win the Super Bowl. Eric Moore in 1988 played guard. Moore played for the Giants for several yrs. He then bounced around the NFL for a few more yrs. Jumbo played in the NFL for 12 yrs. In my opinion he was the best LT the Giants have had since 1990. Point it's not where your drafted, but how you play.

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[Patricia Traina]

I just have a few more things I like to add and that's it for me for this thread.
I came across what appears to to be a Giants You Tube video dated 8/26/2020 where a few beat writers were asking Marc Columbo about the Giants offensive line. Title is "OL Coach Marc Colombo: "Rookie Matt Peart is a Tremendous Athlete | New York Giants" When asked about Peart he give a glowing review of his abilities as a tackle. When it came to Andrew Thomas he basically stated what Thomas needed to improve. They were some of same things he still needs to work on now. What also came through the video was the passion Colombo had for working with the OL. Makes me wonder what did having 4 OL coaches and Joe Judge working with the OL accomplish. I don't know, but we will see starting Sunday.

A little ancient history. In 1998 draft George Young drafted Eric Moore LT from Indiana in the 1st rd to play left tackle. Moore was a top ten pick. In the second round of the same draft he picked a LT from Michigan Jumbo Elliot who was going to pay RT. Parcells with the help of Lawrence Taylor decided to try Jumbo at LT. The experiment was a success. In the !990 Super Bowl Jumbo Elliot playing LT dominated Bruce Smith (HOF} helping the Giants win the Super Bowl. Eric Moore in 1988 played guard. Moore played for the Giants for several yrs. He then bounced around the NFL for a few more yrs. Jumbo played in the NFL for 12 yrs. In my opinion he was the best LT the Giants have had since 1990. Point it's not where your drafted, but how you play.

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no disrespect to Columbo, but some of his takes, form what I understand, weren't exactly shared by others in the organization.

 

[Big Blue Fan 1011]

no disrespect to Columbo, but some of his takes, form what I understand, weren't exactly shared by others in the organization.

I am not sure who those people are. As a Head Coach either you have confidence in your assistant coaches or you don't.
To bring in Dave DeGuglielmo who hates to coach rookies didn't seam like best choice. Then I think Dave DeGuglielmo bailed on Judge when he offered him the job at the end of the season.

 

[Big Blue Fan 1011]

This week Judge gave Andrew Thomas a passionate pass on his poor play in the New England game. Basically put it on the fans since they don't now what the other 10 players are doing. I know what I saw in the New England game. It wasn't Andrew Thomas' finest hour.

 

[Big Blue Fan 1011]

Not sure if Andrew Thomas will ever live up to being the 4th pick in the 2020 draft.

 

[Big Blue Fan 1011]

This week Judge gave Andrew Thomas a passionate pass on his poor play in the New England game. Basically put it on the fans since they don't now what the other 10 players are doing. I know what I saw in the New England game. It wasn't Andrew Thomas' finest hour.

It's seems like Joe Judge and Dave Gettleman are scrambling around to fill in for LG Shane Lemieux hours before they play the WFT with probably the best defensive front in the NFC.

Gettleman said the fans didn't have confidence in the offensive line he and Joe Judge put together. Judge blames the fans (above) for not knowing what's going on. The fans don't know what's going are they kidding me. You couldn't make this stuff up. Gettleman in 4yrs hasn't solved the offensive line problems. Joe Judge hasn't been much better in his 2 years as head coach. I just wonder how long will it be before John Mara cleans up this mess.

 

[Big Blue Fan 1011]

According to Pro Football Focus Billy Price had a 28.1 overall grade for Thursday night's game. Since 2018 Price's PFF grade is next to last of all interior offensive linemen who have played 1200 snaps. Price was a 1st round pick by the Bengals who many considered a bust.
Not sure how Pro Football Focus grades players but this not good. Giants traded B J Hill a serviceable NT/DE when the Giants defense has been terrible for Price. Giants just don't seem to value Defensive lineman like Hill and Dalvin Tomlinson. Wonder if they could use them now?

 

[Big Blue Fan 1011]

Hope they can work in Matt Skura in at center to compete with Price.

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[Big Blue Fan 1011]

Has reality set in with the Giants about the state of their offensive line? We heard from Dave Gettlemen that the kids were young strong and would be fine. He wasn’t concerned about the that O- Line play being a problem. Jason Garret said yesterday the O-Line would be just fine.

Dave Gettlemen was so confident as a result the Giants didn’t draft an offensive lineman in this year’s draft, nor did they sign a veteran free agent prior to the draft. Now it looks like reality may have set in. The O-Line seems to have serious issues and with no easy solutions in sight with one week to go before they face Von Miller and Bradley Chubb.

Gil Brandt a HOF exec for the Cowboys said it wouldn’t matter how many weapons the Giants got for Daniel Jones if the O- Line play didn’t improve.

The Giants spent $150 million dollars on free agents but no help for the O- Line. This will not help Daniel Jones growth or the evaluation to determine if he’s their franchise QB. The Giants effectively put themselves in cap hell for 2022 and probably 2023. Was it worth it and can they fix the O- Line to get the most out of the assets on offense.

If things don't change in the next several weeks is there any way the Giants avoid the cap hell they created for 2022 and 2023.

 

[Patricia Traina]

If things don't change in the next several weeks is there any way the Giants avoid the cap hell they created for 2022 and 2023.

Nope. 2023 should be better I would think as that's when the TV contracts kick in. But next year is going to be tricky.

 

[Big Blue Fan 1011]

Not sure if Andrew Thomas will ever live up to being the 4th pick in the 2020 draft.

It's a shame he's injured as he was playing up to his potential this year. Good to see him take it to defensive player instead of reacting to what defense was going to do. Now if they can work on getting Matt Peart up to speed would be really good.

 

[Big Blue Fan 1011]

Nope. 2023 should be better I would think as that's when the TV contracts kick in. But next year is going to be tricky.

According to overthecap.com the Giants have about $4 Million of cap space in 2022. I am not a cap expert, but it seems like the cap charges from the 2020 & 2021 free agent signings are coming due in 2022. According to overthecap.com 7 players in 2022 will take up approximately $123 million of cap space.